IATSE Boss On Hollywood Labor Talks, 2024 Election & Extra


In some ways, longtime Worldwide Alliance of Theatrical Stage Staff president Matthew Loeb is the personification of that Teddy Roosevelt adage of “converse softly, and carry a giant stick” …properly, perhaps aside from the converse softly half.

“From the place I sit, that is actually about safety in an business that’s precarious already,” Loeb states of the upcoming talks beginning March 4 with the Alliance of Movement Image and Tv Producers on new three-year agreements. “A strike vote is all the time doable and I can’t rule it out,” the veteran union chief provides of the stakes concerned for his members and the newest contract talks.

Heading into joint negotiations with studios with the Lindsay Dougherty-led Hollywood Teamsters and different crafts on Monday, Loeb arrived in LA earlier this week for final minute preparations along with his workforce and different leaders. Fittingly, with assist from all the opposite Guilds, Loeb additionally got here loaded for bear to take the stage tomorrow at a self-described Nothing Strikes With out The Crew mega-rally in Encino.  

Secretary-Treasurer of Teamsters Native 399 Lindsay Dougherty speaks at a WGA & SAG-AFTRA rally on July 19, 2023 // Credit score: Getty

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With their present movie and TV contracts set to run out on July 31 and the union having acknowledged final month they don’t seem to be fascinated about extending it, IATSE are additionally going into talks with the Carol Lombardini-led AMPTP within the aftermath of final 12 months’s bruising strikes by the WGA and SAG-AFTRA. In actual fact, two separate contracts are on the desk for IATSE. Masking greater than 60,000 business associated members, there’s the Primary Settlement, which covers 13 of the union’s Hollywood locals, and there’s the Space Commonplace Settlement covers 26 locals exterior of Los Angeles.

Again in 2021, after an amazing nationwide strike authorization vote by members, the final contracts have been ratified by members in a more in-depth than common vote. A vote that noticed the L.A. locals reject the deal within the widespread vote.

All of which provides as much as Loeb, who has been head of IATSE by way of good instances and never so nice instances, since 2008, having to a handle a whole lot of voices and a whole lot of pursuits as he and his Negotiating Committee face the studios this time. Talks that start with bracing cuts on the studios and a manufacturing at a trickle from what’s has been in recent times.

Loeb sat down with me to debate the open coming negotiations, the wage and job safety points, in addition to new manner of AI. Moreover, the labor boss took a giant image take a look at the place the general union motion is in 2024, the significance of getting a good friend within the White Home, and the “unthinkable” prospect of Donald Trump defeating Joe Biden this November.

DEADLINE: You’re going to be throughout the bargaining desk from the AMPTP on Monday morning, a spot you’ve been many instances earlier than. The studios have a well-thumbed playbook of divided and attempt to conquer, a playbook that appeared very out of contact in opposition to the WGA and SAG-AFTRA ultimately final 12 months. Do you suppose something can be totally different with Carol Lombardini and gang after final 12 months’s strikes?

MATTHEW LOEB: I’m hopeful that they discovered about, simply saying no and seeing what occurs as we method a cliff. What I’m fascinated about is significant discussions that handle actual points. So, that’s of their arms, however my guess is that they’ve discovered thew outdated playbook is simply notgoing to chop it this time.

DEADLINE: Not frightened that they suppose they will push you guys off the cliff by making an attempt to place an business disruption prematurely on the Guilds?

LOEB: (Chuckle) My feeling about that’s that if anyone assesses our power from that perspective, it’s a mistake. It’s a mistake due to the constructive function of unions in Hollywood and across the nation and leisure. It could be foolhardy for my part, for anyone to consider that we’ll simply take any deal. We received’t.

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DEADLINE: I’m going to be sincere with you, you’re a union chief who clearly will get adrenalized round your members, round union of us. So, with this rally developing this weekend with Lindsay Dougherty and the Teamsters and others, what’s Matt Loeb going to inform the troops from the stage going into Monday’s talks?

LOEB: I can’t let you know every thing Dominic, however what I’ll let you know is most of what we’re going to be speaking about goes to the center of safety.

DEADLINE: How do you imply?

LOEB: Safety that on this precarious enterprise is just not reliable sufficient. It should be. After I say that I’m speaking about the advantages. I’m speaking with the ability to spend time together with your households, to the well being within the business, to creating a good wage for the work that people do. So, Sunday’s rally, the negotiations, actually it’s all about securing the longer term for the members and their households.

That’s the massive message, and perhaps I’ll be saying it a bit louder on Sunday. (LAUGHS)

DEADLINE: One other huge message is that IATSE,  Teamsters Native 399 and different Hollywood Primary Crafts are going into collectively to cut price over advantages corresponding to healthcare and pensions. This isn’t the primary time you’ve all labored collectively, however on this spherical, how did that technique come collectively?

LOEB: Nicely, understand that we’re solely getting in collectively for the negotiations for the advantages, after which we’ll cut up due to the specifics of the crafts and the construction of the totally different organizations.

The rationale for it’s twofold.

One, they’re in our profit plans, our profit factors to their profit plans as properly. So, their pursuits are an identical to ours.  I feel that getting in collectively creates solidarity and power hopefully present itself in a greater deal on the finish.

So far as the extra particular person priorities are involved, we share priorities with the Teamsters, particularly on points like AI and the way that impacts future work. From the place I sit, that is actually about safety in an business that’s precarious already. As a result of what we’re speaking about collectively is these profit plans which can be among the many most essential issues that we offer for individuals who work for thus many various employers over the 12 months.

DEADLINE: So, this can be a two-track factor in some ways?

LOEB: They’re not separate. I imply, I might be shocked if the employers didn’t add up the price of the advantages earlier than they made a ultimate supply. For us, IATSE I imply, I don’t anticipate that we’re going to complete. I imply, I hope that we do end the advantages forthwith, however it could take a while. By way of the overall proposals, we’re going to start out bargaining on these in all probability additionally subsequent week. As you’ll be able to collect, there’s going to be some course of concerned.

There will certainly be overlap, and look, you bought to step again a bit simply because we’re getting in with the Teamsters and Primary Craft for the problems that now we have which can be widespread. That doesn’t imply that it’s a separate a part of the settlement. There’s no world wherein we make a deal on advantages and never wages or vice versa.

DEADLINE: Outdoors course of for a sec, union solidarity and job safety was nearly soiled phrases in America, beneath successive administrations. Speaking the 35,000 toes perspective, that’s modified loads since Joe Biden took workplace, I feel it’s truthful to say. So, in that context, within the context of final 12 months’s strikes and deal, and your individual upcoming talks, what your tackle the state of the labor motion in Hollywood as we speak?

LOEB: One factor, for certain, everyone is extra conscious of what’s occurring, I feel, than they ever have been earlier than. I feel that labor in Hollywood additionally displays a motion within the nation.

DEADLINE: How do you see that?

LOEB: I see it, you’ve seen it, with the variety of strikes, but additionally the quantity of organizing.

In case you take a look at the general public opinion about unions as we speak, the numbers are superb.

We’re in an setting with a president who has been professional labor his complete life. That impacts the Labor Board and that impacts the Division of Labor and different points that bear on our day-to-day work. So, we’re within the candy spot, proper now with the labor motion. Additionally, as for Hollywood, on account of the disputes final 12 months, there’s, I feel, a eager curiosity by a lot of of us within the business, about how this performs out.

President Joe Biden speaks to members of the United Auto Employees in Warren, Michigan, on February 1, 2024 // Credit score: Getty

DEADLINE: With what appears just like the inevitable rematch between President Biden and the previous Superstar Apprentice host/ex-president Donald Trump, what’s your stage of concern that one other Scorching Labor Summer season may result in having larger political penalties within the bigger labor context and in that race?

LOEB: May go both manner.


LOEB: Of us, I assume, may really feel the specter of being on strike dropping work, not qualifying for advantages. But additionally, I feel folks can get ramped up behind politics and behind this race particularly. You may say what you need about Joe Biden, I’m a giant fan, however the different is unthinkable.

DEADLINE: So, as you go into subsequent week’s talks and with lots of people on edge {that a} new spherical of strikes could also be coming this 12 months, how does this play itself out?

LOEB: The very first thing is we’re actually not fascinated about any sort of profit cuts or tougher qualifying measures within the design of the profit plans. We want to enhance the advantages and have the funds obtainable to do this, together with pension advantages for retirees. We now have some measures in place, however they’re primarily based on triggers – like we offer thirteenth and 14th checks to retirees annually who retired after or earlier than a sure date. We need to make that everlasting. It’s anticipated and has been supplied for a very long time and folks anticipate it and it’s an enchancment that actually helps the retirees.

DEADLINE: Over the last spherical of bargaining that IATSE had with the studios in 2021, you introduced in a strike authorization vote, a vote that was that union’s first nationwide strike authorization vote and handed with the assist of 98% of the 89% of members who voted.

LOEB: Sure…

DEADLINE: There was no strike clearly three years in the past, but it surely was tense to place it mildly After you had an settlement with the AMPTP and it handed by a good margin, a member mentioned to me “2024 goes to be a showdown.”  So, the place are issues at with a strike authorization vote this 12 months?

LOEB: Very first thing, bear in mind, we didn’t have a strike authorization vote firstly of the final negotiations we had a strike authorization vote after the negotiations floor to a halt and the producers mainly mentioned we don’t know easy methods to cope with what we’re negotiating, and we will’t reply you. We did a whole lot of work together with foyer in DC, a whole lot of work together with that strike vote to push them again to the desk. A strike vote is all the time doable and I can’t rule it out.

DEADLINE: To that, late final 12 months, I consider round October, the negotiating committee started gathering members enter for this upcoming spherical of talks by way of bargaining surveys and different means. Based mostly on that, what have members come again to you with if something that has stunned you when it comes to their considerations going into these negotiations.

LOEB: I’ll say, nothing that I’m actually stunned by.

DEADLINE: So, I’ll assume which means wages and job safety…

LOEB: Let’s say, we’ve had probably the most clear and inclusive preparation that we’ve ever had earlier than. We skilled as many individuals as we may, who can be concerned in bargaining, so they’d know the lay of the land, what good religion bargaining means and what the legal guidelines are that encompass it. We would like our of us to be finest outfitted as they are often on the desk.

DEADLINE: Appears like a decentralized philosophy …

LOEB: Nicely, it’s not simply me there, is it?  I often is the tip of the spear, however I want a room full of people that have resolve, information and fortitude.

DEADLINE: On this gig-based financial system, one of many huge shifts going down is the rising use of AI throughout nearly all industries, and particularly the leisure business. That was a large a part of the talks between the WPA and SAG-AFTRA and the AMPTP final 12 months, and an actual conundrum in some ways. IATSE clearly has its personal AI considerations. What do you concentrate on AI and the way it may have an effect on or hurt your members in addition to the larger Hollywood neighborhood?

LOEB: I’ll let you know: What we’re going to attempt to do is to stop hurt by way of bargaining

DEADLINE: How does that work?

LOEB: We’re analyzing, we’ve engaged Carnegie Mellon to advise us to be sure that we perceive the place it may very well be headed. We simply need to have a human primarily based method. It needs to be one thing that takes into consideration folks’s want, once more, for safety, a

And that’s job safety. That’s the basis of how they get their advantages and the remainder of their safety.

You already know, it’s a bit tougher for us as a result of we’ve bought so many various crafts and trades. We’re going to be proposing provisions that hopefully which can be uniform all through these crafts to to guard job alternatives, and to coach folks.

DEADLINE: However absolutely a part of the usage of AI is to chop human prices, to have the tech do the roles…

LOEB: Clearly, we’re and anxious about defending jobs and requirements. However what if the spoils of AI are shared and it takes stress off the enterprise or makes it extra environment friendly that shouldn’t imply that folks lose work. Hear me out. Perhaps it manifests itself in a manner that flows down, not simply up in effectivity, so far as income to the corporate’s goes. Perhaps, it’s used to however take some stress off of the schedules and a few of the work that we do and perhaps longer days. Perhaps that’s a manner we will make this work in the proper manner.

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DEADLINE: You’ve been IATSE president since 2008…

LOEB: Sure

DEADLINE: That’s a whole lot of negotiations, a whole lot of change in an business that’s in truth all the time altering. So, going into Monday’s talks, with a lot at stake, so many points to be addressed, what it on the high of thoughts as you put together for the beginning of negotiations with the studio, the AMPTP?

LOEB: I’m not dodging the reply, however I’ve all the time been guided by what’s finest for the members and that’s on the high of my mind.

I’m wanting on the challenges, the results of AI, the expertise that’s coming to the distribution adjustments.  We’ve been within the gig financial system since 1893. We all know it’s precarious, however issues could be performed and must be performed to make of us safer.


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